Comments on: BBC iPlayer review - one week later http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/ Tracking the digital lifestyle Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:25:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: jo http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1741 jo Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:19:43 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1741 Jo: Spoilt: not at all. Noob: speak for yourself. Whiny? Yes, thanks for noticing. I don't want it for free - check this: I Already paid. My real problem is with drm, and my sense of entitlement is far from false, again: I, along with everyone else in the U.K. who has a television, paid for this. As for Drama Queen, check out the spelling and grammar on the bbc website, the quality of the news that they are peddling these days and the attitude of the administration. People will obtain the media any way they can - it's a fact, suck it up princess. I have no problem paying for the media I enjoy, but when paying for it becomes more difficult and tedious, nay, even dangerous (a la sony rootkit) than using less legal alternatives, people will do the obvious. I loved the beeb, but it has gone downhill, though I guess I'll try harder to control my diatribe, as some people don't have a sarcasm detector (must not be compatible with windows). Jo: Spoilt: not at all.

Noob: speak for yourself.

Whiny? Yes, thanks for noticing.

I don’t want it for free - check this: I Already paid. My real problem is with drm, and my sense of entitlement is far from false, again: I, along with everyone else in the U.K. who has a television, paid for this.

As for Drama Queen, check out the spelling and grammar on the bbc website, the quality of the news that they are peddling these days and the attitude of the administration.

People will obtain the media any way they can - it’s a fact, suck it up princess. I have no problem paying for the media I enjoy, but when paying for it becomes more difficult and tedious, nay, even dangerous (a la sony rootkit) than using less legal alternatives, people will do the obvious.

I loved the beeb, but it has gone downhill, though I guess I’ll try harder to control my diatribe, as some people don’t have a sarcasm detector (must not be compatible with windows).

]]> By: Simon http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1739 Simon Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:49:45 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1739 I have to say, I <a href="http://www.oakinnovations.co.uk/blog/2007/07/31/bbc-iplayer-review/" rel="nofollow">reviewed the BBC iPlayer beta</a> and hated it. Forget about the DRM limitations, which another commenter rightly pointed out don't need to be there, but the application itself was a mess. Unstable and not a single ounce of thought had gone into usability and interface design, they obviously thought it was more important to make everything shiny. Not to mention the confusing DRM restrictions they've decided on. I have to say, I reviewed the BBC iPlayer beta and hated it. Forget about the DRM limitations, which another commenter rightly pointed out don’t need to be there, but the application itself was a mess. Unstable and not a single ounce of thought had gone into usability and interface design, they obviously thought it was more important to make everything shiny. Not to mention the confusing DRM restrictions they’ve decided on.

]]> By: Steve O'Hear (editor) http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1735 Steve O'Hear (editor) Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:57:03 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1735 @jo I agree that never watching the BBC again is overreacting but at the same time they've had years to sort out a cross platform strategy, and I'm very skeptical that they'll have a Mac or Linux version by the end of the year. I hope I'm wrong. @jo

I agree that never watching the BBC again is overreacting but at the same time they’ve had years to sort out a cross platform strategy, and I’m very skeptical that they’ll have a Mac or Linux version by the end of the year. I hope I’m wrong.

]]> By: jo http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1734 jo Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:52:25 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1734 "I will never watch the BBC again, I hope they go under, they don’t deserve to survive. Alas, they were a shining example, now they’re just a burning train wreck." what a drama queen. i'm really fed up of whiny spoilt noobs you get on the net these days who always want everything now & for free, the false sense of entitlement these people have is nauseating. how many times do people have to be told that THIS IS A BETA. they pushed out a beta version for the most popular platform so it can be tested quickly & fully. mac & linux versions will be coming out at the end of the year. “I will never watch the BBC again, I hope they go under, they don’t deserve to survive. Alas, they were a shining example, now they’re just a burning train wreck.”

what a drama queen. i’m really fed up of whiny spoilt noobs you get on the net these days who always want everything now & for free, the false sense of entitlement these people have is nauseating.

how many times do people have to be told that THIS IS A BETA. they pushed out a beta version for the most popular platform so it can be tested quickly & fully. mac & linux versions will be coming out at the end of the year.

]]> By: Cal http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1728 Cal Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:50:17 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1728 Fusen: hahahaaaa!!!!!! that simple. kudos. Fusen: hahahaaaa!!!!!! that simple. kudos.

]]> By: Fusen http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1727 Fusen Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:31:02 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1727 If the DRM is such a nuisance to you, check out this flash video; http://www.fusenn.com/movies/bbciplayer.html good old, delays and limitations that in the end are completely pointless If the DRM is such a nuisance to you, check out this flash video;

http://www.fusenn.com/movies/bbciplayer.html

good old, delays and limitations that in the end are completely pointless

]]> By: Peter White http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1722 Peter White Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:45:58 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1722 At least you could get it to work! I could login through Firefox however when i tried to login through IE it just kept loading the same page. Seems the BBC have a long way to go to get it right. At least you could get it to work! I could login through Firefox however when i tried to login through IE it just kept loading the same page. Seems the BBC have a long way to go to get it right.

]]> By: Cal http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1721 Cal Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:53:53 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1721 Rob: I know you think that everyone uses windows and shows as little wit as you, trust me - some of us don't: Calling Microsoft "The right equipment" is disingenuous at best. I wonder if other things were marketed as effectively as MS which brand of beans you would find yourself disgustingly loyal to. I use Ubuntu Linux (and many other LICENSE PAYING CUSTOMERS do too) which means that I can't use this monstrosity. I'm most unhappy that a portion of my license fee seems to have found it's way to Redmond, though not surprised. Neil: The internet is amazing piece of work - accessible through many different platforms: DRM kills this - it just doesn't work. People who are unable to use the legal services because of DRM will inevitably turn to the shadier methods of media acquisition. This will bolster the 'illegal' services by filling their pockets with advertising cash, filling up file-sharing networks with seeds/peers and providing money for physical bootleg media. The BBC programmes are broadcast on terrestrial media - but I don't see anyone screaming about sharing old VHS cassettes or DVD-RW. Kylde: fair point - though we've already paid for it, i personally don't have a problem with people oversees reaping the benefit of that. The beeb could be a great ambassador for us, and already is with much of it's programming, like the world service. Adam: precisely. A cock. Indeed. I will never watch the BBC again, I hope they go under, they don't deserve to survive. Alas, they were a shining example, now they're just a burning train wreck. Rob: I know you think that everyone uses windows and shows as little wit as you, trust me - some of us don’t: Calling Microsoft “The right equipment” is disingenuous at best. I wonder if other things were marketed as effectively as MS which brand of beans you would find yourself disgustingly loyal to.

I use Ubuntu Linux (and many other LICENSE PAYING CUSTOMERS do too) which means that I can’t use this monstrosity. I’m most unhappy that a portion of my license fee seems to have found it’s way to Redmond, though not surprised.

Neil: The internet is amazing piece of work - accessible through many different platforms: DRM kills this - it just doesn’t work. People who are unable to use the legal services because of DRM will inevitably turn to the shadier methods of media acquisition. This will bolster the ‘illegal’ services by filling their pockets with advertising cash, filling up file-sharing networks with seeds/peers and providing money for physical bootleg media. The BBC programmes are broadcast on terrestrial media - but I don’t see anyone screaming about sharing old VHS cassettes or DVD-RW.

Kylde: fair point - though we’ve already paid for it, i personally don’t have a problem with people oversees reaping the benefit of that. The beeb could be a great ambassador for us, and already is with much of it’s programming, like the world service.

Adam: precisely. A cock. Indeed.

I will never watch the BBC again, I hope they go under, they don’t deserve to survive. Alas, they were a shining example, now they’re just a burning train wreck.

]]> By: Adam http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1717 Adam Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:57:24 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1717 ...oops, meant Rob not Joe, you're still wrong though ;) …oops, meant Rob not Joe, you’re still wrong though ;)

]]> By: Adam http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1716 Adam Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:56:27 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1716 Joe, you are a cock. That's like saying that the 'UK Joe Average' (?) isn't deaf, so why bother adding subtitles. Of course there are technical limitations, I can't get TV on my radio (duh!), but this is like saying only Sony TV's will be able to show BBC content, not Toshibas or Samsungs... the BBC just wouldn't get away with it. It's not it's not possible to do this on Linux, it's just that the BBC have made some very bad technical decisions that have resulted in alienating a portion of it's paying customers and denying them a service, which is not only bad practice but I believe illegal for them to do under their own charter. Joe, you are a cock. That’s like saying that the ‘UK Joe Average’ (?) isn’t deaf, so why bother adding subtitles.

Of course there are technical limitations, I can’t get TV on my radio (duh!), but this is like saying only Sony TV’s will be able to show BBC content, not Toshibas or Samsungs… the BBC just wouldn’t get away with it.

It’s not it’s not possible to do this on Linux, it’s just that the BBC have made some very bad technical decisions that have resulted in alienating a portion of it’s paying customers and denying them a service, which is not only bad practice but I believe illegal for them to do under their own charter.

]]> By: Neil Boothman http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1715 Neil Boothman Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:34:42 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1715 I tried the iPlayer out and found much of the same frustrations as you have, the quality of the video you are provided with is somewhat poor I thought. To give the BBC credit though, the iPlayer simply would have never been possible without DRM and they have to be creditied with at very least making an attempt to making all their content available online and some people will no doubt find this service useful once they have managed to set it up. I tried the iPlayer out and found much of the same frustrations as you have, the quality of the video you are provided with is somewhat poor I thought. To give the BBC credit though, the iPlayer simply would have never been possible without DRM and they have to be creditied with at very least making an attempt to making all their content available online and some people will no doubt find this service useful once they have managed to set it up.

]]> By: Rob http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-one-week-later/#comment-1713 Rob Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:41:00 +0000 http://www.last100.com/2007/08/05/bbc-iplayer-review-%e2%80%93-one-week-later/#comment-1713 I wish commentators would stop complaining about the iPlayer not being available for Linux resulting in them not being able to get "the full BBC experience". The truth is, it is not viable to port it just for the minority of people who use Linux (in the UK Joe Average hasn't even heard of Linux, the only reason that it's getting so much attention is because a large number of Bloggers, Diggers etc. are not Joe Average when it comes to computing) To get the full BBC experience you need the right equipment like Windows (Mac soon), a colour TV, a digital reciever etc. Not everyone has all these but I rarely see someone who doesn't have Sky digital/Cable digital/Freeview complaining. I wish commentators would stop complaining about the iPlayer not being available for Linux resulting in them not being able to get “the full BBC experience”. The truth is, it is not viable to port it just for the minority of people who use Linux (in the UK Joe Average hasn’t even heard of Linux, the only reason that it’s getting so much attention is because a large number of Bloggers, Diggers etc. are not Joe Average when it comes to computing)

To get the full BBC experience you need the right equipment like Windows (Mac soon), a colour TV, a digital reciever etc. Not everyone has all these but I rarely see someone who doesn’t have Sky digital/Cable digital/Freeview complaining.

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